True Facts about real (wild) salmon v farmed salmon:
Farmed salmon kills real salmon, kills real salmon fishermans livelihood and kills real fishing communities.
Real salmon has bones, each one is unique. Real salmon do not require dyes to fake out the consumer. Real salmon do not need antibiotics or pharmaceuticals. And I bet if you asked real comsumers of salmon which one they prefer they would say real salmon. How much wild fish (mostly high quality wild forage fish) did they say it takes to make farmed salmon? And are we talking "Globally" or the US? Come on NOAA, get your act together...
this is the answer to wild fish stocks bad rep for being overfished..you know the real story is all about $$$...and there is no stopping that train. enjoy the wild fish, soon they will be tainted with radiation according to the news media and unfortunately will be the worst of the two.
True facts about real Alaskan and Washington salmon fishermen:
Hate Farmed Fish - read the above comments Hate Oil and Gas - oppose SB 21, ANWR, TAPS Hate Mining - oppose Pebble, Greens Creek,... Hate Forestry - oppose logging in Tongass National Forest Hate Tourism - supported the crippling cruise ship initiative Hate Tourism Marketing - gutted ATIA Hate Sport Fishing - oppose anything with a rod and reel Hate Personal Use - oppose dip nets for Alaska residents
The taste test was a really rigged. Farmed fish were soaked in a 10% brine solution while the wild fish were not andany test that includes Willapa Bay trolled salmon is false as to my knowledge there has never been a troll fishery in Willapa Bay in at least the last 50 years.
And the fat American lady sings. Now NOAA love farmed fish as much as the processor you deliver your fish to (that is half invested in the farmed salmon industry to keep the price they pay you down). Just a reminder to self market...
9:00 the ugly truth. This exclusive wild salmon fishery costs too much to the producers. Business wise, the commercials harvest costs are crippling profit. Farmed is cheaper, fresher and makes more sense to all wild user groups. Except the group that hates everything.
To 2:54, I'm concerned about fukoshimas radiation too and if it does hit the west coast shores then farmed salmon are just as vulnerable. So far it doesnt look like Alaskas fish are a concern although an old school day glow watch or an airport might be;
The wild stock harvesters that are represented by their rabid leaders will be the losers, ultimately. If anyone thinks that standing in the way of the way the world is trending is smart, I have news; y'all gonna get rolled. Alaska fisherman (me, retired) are some of the stupidest, most self-serving members of society. I have been called many things for embracing mariculture as a salmon fisherman in my career. In my specific case, I remember well the outrageous demands that the Cook Inlet seiners made when the state opened areas of Kachemak Bay to mariculture. In those days, all the smart money had it that Lower Cook Inlet was going to be the next Chignik. Now, there IS NO REAL COMMERCIAL SALMON FISHERY in Kachemak Bay that is not either intercept of upper Cook Inlet fish, or catching ocean ranched (mariculture) fish. I've always felt that outright hypocrisy eventually has a biting payback. Rage on.
This is disgusting and inaccurate. Many of these statements are horribly misleading and skewed. Seems to me that someone at NOAA is taking care of some old buddies.
I am calling the NOAA office of policy tomorrow and strongly urge anyone else who is enraged by this misuse of our tax dollars as hardworking fishermen and women to do the same. Lets let the people in a position to change this know that things like this article are not what we are paying them for!
A consumer would need to eat 4,000 pounds of tuna in a year with the highest radiation levels for his or her exposure to rise 1 percent for the year, the OSU team said. Tuna an apex predator, not salmon. This radiation guys comments are out of left field.
Ahem...this list has been edited at the behest of NOAA Fisheries Alaska Region and ASMI.(Personally, Wild Alaska Seafood is the only seafood on my table.)
Im an commercial fishing Alaskan resident. I live in a rural Alaskan coastal community. Ive logged, worked in lumber mills and towed log rafts and I enjoyed it. I own a rod and reel and use it all the time. I dip net. And I have taken a cruise. Tourism is important to my town. Pebble mine really is not a good idea though.....
Follow the advice and take a nap. That NOAA farmed salmon fact sheet is garbage.
Yo 9:00AM! take your Meds. I am commercial fish and I don't hate any of the things you stated. If the activity it leaves a stinky poopy mess then I am opposed to that activity. Everyone of you hate statements does exactly that.
10. The US exports much of the wild caught seafood it produces. If more wild caught salmon was consumed domestically that would reduce our environmental sefood-footprint way more than farmed salmon would. It would also protect coastal fishing communities way more than farmed salmon would.
9. My guess is that much of the forage fish, thats very high in nutients and omega 3's, could be better utilzed such as what is used the the mediteranean diet. Wild harvest fish fed to fin fish farms should be way illegal by now.
8,7,6,5. Wild fish is superior to farmed fish in all these categories unless messed with so much its hardly a fish. Pigment dyes from the drug store? Come on, farmed fish will never be able to duplicate wild fish. The more they try the worse it gets. Analogy- Most of Americas drug related problems come from prescribed drugs not illegal drugs.
4. Almost like NOAA is saying that farmed fish poop and run off is good for the environment and wild fish. Getting really weird NOAA...
3. NOAA admits vaccinations are necessay to prevent farmed fish from getting sick. Why do they get sick? Next..
2. I dont really know... I remenber a kid with lice in school....joking
1. That got modified some and a sincere thank you regional NMFS folks and ASMI! Its still quite a stetch and misleading though...
See the documentary "Salmon Confidential" on Youtube. There are major wild salmon die-offs in BC rivers due to pathogens from salmon farms. Gov't suppressing information, in pocket of aquaculture. Well worth watching.
insane....did deckboss get hacked?
ReplyDeleteOur wonderful tax dollars at work.
ReplyDeleteIm wondering if NOAA didnt mean to title it "why wild salmon sucks"? My God...
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ReplyDeleteTrue Facts about real (wild) salmon v farmed salmon:
Farmed salmon kills real salmon, kills real salmon fishermans livelihood and kills real fishing communities.
Real salmon has bones, each one is unique. Real salmon do not require dyes to fake out the consumer. Real salmon do not need antibiotics or pharmaceuticals. And I bet if you asked real comsumers of salmon which one they prefer they would say real salmon. How much wild fish (mostly high quality wild forage fish) did they say it takes to make farmed salmon? And are we talking "Globally" or the US? Come on NOAA, get your act together...
this is the answer to wild fish stocks bad rep for being overfished..you know the real story is all about $$$...and there is no stopping that train. enjoy the wild fish, soon they will be tainted with radiation according to the news media and unfortunately will be the worst of the two.
ReplyDeleteTrue facts about real Alaskan and Washington salmon fishermen:
ReplyDeleteHate Farmed Fish - read the above comments
Hate Oil and Gas - oppose SB 21, ANWR, TAPS
Hate Mining - oppose Pebble, Greens Creek,...
Hate Forestry - oppose logging in Tongass National Forest
Hate Tourism - supported the crippling cruise ship initiative
Hate Tourism Marketing - gutted ATIA
Hate Sport Fishing - oppose anything with a rod and reel
Hate Personal Use - oppose dip nets for Alaska residents
Anything missing?
The taste test was a really rigged. Farmed fish were soaked in a 10% brine solution while the wild fish were not andany test that includes Willapa Bay trolled salmon is false as to my knowledge there has never been a troll fishery in Willapa Bay in at least the last 50 years.
ReplyDeleteThanks NOAA!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd the fat American lady sings. Now NOAA love farmed fish as much as the processor you deliver your fish to (that is half invested in the farmed salmon industry to keep the price they pay you down). Just a reminder to self market...
ReplyDelete9:00 the ugly truth. This exclusive wild salmon fishery costs too much to the producers. Business wise, the commercials harvest costs are crippling profit. Farmed is cheaper, fresher and makes more sense to all wild user groups. Except the group that hates everything.
ReplyDeleteThe birth of the Geiger Counter at Sushi Bars
ReplyDeleteTo 2:54, I'm concerned about fukoshimas radiation too and if it does hit the west coast shores then farmed salmon are just as vulnerable. So far it doesnt look like Alaskas fish are a concern although an old school day glow watch or an airport might be;
ReplyDeletehttp://www.biogeosciences.net/10/6045/2013/bg-10-6045-2013.pdf
http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2013/09/11/fukushima-fallout-not-affecting-u-s-caught-fish/
Yo 9:00AM! take a nap. Real commercial fisherman hate misinformation, thats about it...
ReplyDeleteThe wild stock harvesters that are represented by their rabid leaders will be the losers, ultimately. If anyone thinks that standing in the way of the way the world is trending is smart, I have news; y'all gonna get rolled. Alaska fisherman (me, retired) are some of the stupidest, most self-serving members of society. I have been called many things for embracing mariculture as a salmon fisherman in my career. In my specific case, I remember well the outrageous demands that the Cook Inlet seiners made when the state opened areas of Kachemak Bay to mariculture. In those days, all the smart money had it that Lower Cook Inlet was going to be the next Chignik. Now, there IS NO REAL COMMERCIAL SALMON FISHERY in Kachemak Bay that is not either intercept of upper Cook Inlet fish, or catching ocean ranched (mariculture) fish. I've always felt that outright hypocrisy eventually has a biting payback. Rage on.
ReplyDeleteThis is disgusting and inaccurate. Many of these statements are horribly misleading and skewed. Seems to me that someone at NOAA is taking care of some old buddies.
ReplyDeleteI am calling the NOAA office of policy tomorrow and strongly urge anyone else who is enraged by this misuse of our tax dollars as hardworking fishermen and women to do the same. Lets let the people in a position to change this know that things like this article are not what we are paying them for!
Here is the number: 301-427-8004
A consumer would need to eat 4,000 pounds of tuna in a year with the highest radiation levels for his or her exposure to rise 1 percent for the year, the OSU team said. Tuna an apex predator, not salmon. This radiation guys comments are out of left field.
ReplyDeleteAhem...this list has been edited at the behest of NOAA Fisheries Alaska Region and ASMI.(Personally, Wild Alaska Seafood is the only seafood on my table.)
ReplyDeleteTo Dec 4 9AM,
ReplyDeleteIm an commercial fishing Alaskan resident. I live in a rural Alaskan coastal community. Ive logged, worked in lumber mills and towed log rafts and I enjoyed it. I own a rod and reel and use it all the time. I dip net. And I have taken a cruise. Tourism is important to my town. Pebble mine really is not a good idea though.....
Follow the advice and take a nap. That NOAA farmed salmon fact sheet is garbage.
Big money got to another government agency? Go figure!
ReplyDeleteWhat a misguided, misleading bunch of half truths and downright lies.
Yo 9:00AM! take your Meds.
ReplyDeleteI am commercial fish and I don't hate any of the things you stated. If the activity it leaves a stinky poopy mess then I am opposed to that activity. Everyone of you hate statements does exactly that.
10. The US exports much of the wild caught seafood it produces. If more wild caught salmon was consumed domestically that would reduce our environmental sefood-footprint way more than farmed salmon would. It would also protect coastal fishing communities way more than farmed salmon would.
ReplyDelete9. My guess is that much of the forage fish, thats very high in nutients and omega 3's, could be better utilzed such as what is used the the mediteranean diet. Wild harvest fish fed to fin fish farms should be way illegal by now.
8,7,6,5. Wild fish is superior to farmed fish in all these categories unless messed with so much its hardly a fish. Pigment dyes from the drug store? Come on, farmed fish will never be able to duplicate wild fish. The more they try the worse it gets. Analogy- Most of Americas drug related problems come from prescribed drugs not illegal drugs.
4. Almost like NOAA is saying that farmed fish poop and run off is good for the environment and wild fish. Getting really weird NOAA...
3. NOAA admits vaccinations are necessay to prevent farmed fish from getting sick. Why do they get sick? Next..
2. I dont really know... I remenber a kid with lice in school....joking
1. That got modified some and a sincere thank you regional NMFS folks and ASMI! Its still quite a stetch and misleading though...
I thought these folks did a decent job of breaking down the fukoshima mess:
ReplyDeletehttp://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/
comments on that piece are good too. Looks like Dec 4@ 8:23AM might have read it too....
um...this was obviously written by fish farm industry hacks. It deserves some truthiness....Lets go Colbert on this one
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ReplyDelete#5. Antibiotic use in aquaculture has all but disappeared in the U.S...
notice the careful wording, no mention of the practice of using antibiotics in Chile, Norway, or Canada. Why not?
See the documentary "Salmon Confidential" on Youtube. There are major wild salmon die-offs in BC rivers due to pathogens from salmon farms. Gov't suppressing information, in pocket of aquaculture. Well worth watching.
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