Thursday, January 5, 2012

An update on the Southeast seine buyback

When we last looked in on the proposed buyback of Southeast salmon seine permits, federal officials had just thrown a stick of dynamite in the hold by disqualifying the reverse auction organizers held to determine who would sell out.

Rather than just get mad and let the idea sink, buyback organizers went back to work. Over the past few weeks, they ran another auction by registered mail. Permit holders were to have their bids in by Dec. 28.

Deckboss hears the new buyback list looks very similar, in terms of permit numbers and dollar amounts, to the one generated with the first auction. The revised list will be submitted soon to the National Marine Fisheries Service.

Of course, I'll be working to obtain the new list and provide everyone with further updates.

38 comments:

  1. Bobbyt
    Let's just be friends
    I really wish I'd have wasted a year at Willamette Law
    Sincerely
    JT

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  2. Sec. 16.43.340. Educational entry permits.

    (a) In addition to entry permits and interim-use permits, the commission may issue educational entry permits to public, private, or denominational educational institutions accredited by the Department of Education and Early Development or accredited institutions, career, or vocational programs approved by the Alaska Commission on Postsecondary Education, or full-time nonprofit residential child care facilities licensed by the Department of Health and Social Services, division of social services, if

    http://alaskareport.com/news109/x71370_robert_thorstensen_crime.htm

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  3. Bobby T and Bobby Z. Don't go away mad. Just go away.

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  4. I understand the feds told the seiners that in order to achieve their buyout numbers the top bid amount could not exceed 195K.

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  5. What a waste of money.

    It will not reduce the active number of participants.

    Current dormant permits will then become active permits.

    Scamming for taxpayer dollars.

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  6. That's why they have Brown v Board, educational permits, for bobby, and robby too.

    Willamette U, give me, give me, give me!

    9-0, CJ Warren, after one missed the school bus.

    "Today, education is perhaps the most important function of state and local governments. Compulsory school attendance laws and the great expenditures for education both demonstrate our recognition of the importance of education to our democratic society. It is required in the performance of our most basic public responsibilities, even service in the armed forces. It is the very foundation of good citizenship. Today it is a principal instrument in awakening the child to cultural values, in preparing him for later professional training, and in helping him to adjust normally to his environment. In these days, it is doubtful that any child may reasonably be expected to succeed in life if he is denied the opportunity of an education. Such an opportunity, where the state has undertaken to provide it, is a right which must be made available to all on equal terms."

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  7. Dance Class from Willamette U.

    Sugar Dancing Machine!

    http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2008/may/tennesseewaltz_050208

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  8. It was amazing how smooth fishing as well as processor commitments came when we went to two on two off last summer....now if we could all agree to an odd and even platoon system such as they have for SF Bay herring we could forget this buyout nonsense altogether.

    LostTomato

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  9. stupid is as stupid does.

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  10. there is safety in numbers

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  11. Especially #1, the Big One when you never lived in Alaska.

    1959

    § 1. Inherent Rights
    This constitution is dedicated to the principles that all persons have a natural right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the enjoyment of the rewards of their own industry; that all persons are equal and entitled to equal rights, opportunities, and protection under the law; and that all persons have corresponding obligations to the people and to the State.

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  12. 1959,

    OOPS!

    http://www.jims59.com/59impala/index.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Public_Safety_Commissioner_dismissal

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  13. 2012

    OOPS!

    http;///www.imanofishingclownthat can'tcomeoutofmymomsbasement.com

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  14. Of course in the basement of that 1959 Convention...when you more ignorant than a sack of Idaho Spuds

    1. Ratification...

    2. Alaska Tennessee Plan...

    3. Abolition of Fish Traps...

    The use of fish traps for the taking of CBC Members for commercial purposes is hereby proclaimed legal in all the coastal waters of the State.

    With the Corrupt Bastards Club using the States Alaska Tennessee Plan?

    Dance the Tennessee Waltz, another gay marriage from the CBC.

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  15. No to this buyback, no new taxes.

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  16. Will somebody please buy back Bobby T?
    Wonder what he'd fetch at a reverse, or is that perverse auction? Run along home Bobby. You'll never be Daddy!

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  17. Yeah, Thorsteson is way too good a name for him. Now, Lokison......

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  18. He still thinks its his...and maybe it is and maybe it isn't?

    Bobbyt, could be a endangerd specie...

    WEDNESDAY, MARCH 23, 2011

    Maritime Lien Reform Act Introduced
    Alaska’s congressional delegation is taking another try at legislation to protect fishermen holding Alaska commercial fishing permits from getting slapped with liens on those permits, thereby endangering their economic livelihood....

    Alaska’s Commercial Fisheries Entry Commission has fought for years to protect limited entry permits as a use privilege, rather than a piece of property. The CFEC also is working to protect the status of these permits as a use privilege, he said.

    Murkowski, Begich and Young issued a joint statement on the measure on March 18, noting that Alaska state law already prohibits liens on Alaska limited entry permits, but that a court decision threw that into doubt by determining that a fishing license was subject to a maritime lien under Federal Admiralty Law. That decision, they said, has become the rationale for attempts to take Alaska fishing permits in federal bankruptcy court. The federal measure is the best way to protect these permits and the fish harvesters, they said.

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  19. Less permits mean more control by fewer large buyers. They'll pay more initially to achieve the strategic objective of consolidation, and then commoditize prices for our production at a long term discount. Issue stock we can perhaps cash someday. Bobby T is seining us from Juneau & DC.

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  20. Total bullshit economics and logic

    Less permits means more control by fewer large buyers??
    There is no correlation
    Does not compute
    So if we issue more permits we'll have less control by more,, smaller buyers????????

    Processor boy hereby exposed

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  21. "Less permits means more control by fewer large buyers"....

    I'm not buying that argument for a minute, doesn't make any sense. If anybody stands to benefit from the buyback failing, it's the processors, large and small.

    Less permits means MORE leverage for the fleet, and processors fighting for a smaller number of boats (who have more control over the fish), not the other way around.

    If it were true, then why didn't the all the big, established processors support the buyback? Only Silver Bay supported it, the rest fought to limit how far the buyback could go.

    Whether you like the buyback or not, the law of supply and demand still applies. Fewer permits means more control for the remaining permitholders.

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  22. More permits. More competition.
    More money for fish. More independent business-fishermen innovating the marketing and technology of the fleet.
    More constituency,fishermen&families,
    to politically protect our right to make a living.

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  23. 8:49, You are saying More supply = More Demand. History and economics are not on your side. It didn't happen that way for halibut, cod, crab or any other fishery for that matter.

    More permits = less control and a less viable business for fishermen, especially in bad times.

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  24. A lot of those "viable" fishermen won't live in Alaska anymore. A lot of the permits getting absorbed belong to Alaskans who'll stay. What will their families & crews do later, cut humpies on the slime line? Not exactly a booming economy in SE outside the fishing industry.

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  25. Of course the simple fact remains, a missing section of Alaska's CFEC Statutes?
    The New and Improved CBC, The Criminal Fisheries Entry Commission, where statutory construction is always an interesting subject.

    1.0 Optimum Numbers Under AS 16.43.290
    AS 16.43.290 reads as follows:
    Optimum number of entry permits. Following the issuance of entry permits under AS 16.43.270, the commission shall establish the optimum number of entry permits based upon a reasonable balance of the following general standards:
    (1) the number of entry permits sufficient to maintain an economically healthy fishery that will result in a reasonable average rate of economic return to the fishermen participating in that fishery, considering time fished and necessary investments in vessels and gear;
    (2) the number of entry permits necessary to harvest the allowable commercial take of the fishery resource during all years in an orderly, efficient manner, and consistent with sound fishery management techniques;
    (3) the number of entry permits sufficient to avoid serious economic hardship to those currently engaged in the fishery, considering other economic opportunities reasonably available to them.

    "considering other economic opportunities..."

    Where's the Optimum Number Study, where even Frank understood this simple concept.

    http://www.cfec.state.ak.us/notices/NR_2005_1011_bristol%20bay.pdf

    Selling that privilege, with support from the Criminal Fisheries Entry Commission, quite a concept, when one's as confused as bobbyt.

    I MIss Frank, and Frankfurter too!

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  26. Wilber v. CFEC,
    Where even a Panopea abrupta needs a

    STANDARD OF REVIEW,

     We review an agency's regulation for whether it is “consistent with and reasonably necessary to implement the statutes authorizing [its] adoption.”   Toward this end we consider:  (1) whether CFEC exceeded its statutory authority in promulgating the regulation;  (2) whether the regulation is reasonable and not arbitrary;  and (3) whether the regulation conflicts with other statutes or constitutional provisions.  When the interpretation of a statute or other question of law implicates “agency expertise as to complex matters or as to the formulation of fundamental policy,” we defer to the agency's interpretation so long as it has a “reasonable basis” in the law.  We have held that CFEC's implementation of the hardship provisions of the Limited Entry Act “entails both administrative expertise and the formulation of fundamental policy.”

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  27. The long term aim is to rationalize salmon, just like they're doing with everything else. When we wake up in SE in a few years it won't be "surf's
    up."It'll be "SERF'S UP".
    I hear Washington State biologists are cloning Bobby T with a Humpie. They figure it'll fill Puget Sound with Alaska Salmon!

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  28. Will the fleet be smaller after this buyback? No! It is a farce, and a crime.

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  29. It's a slow motion Federal takeover of a State fishery. We became a state to gain State control of our salmon so we could be self supporting.It's the economic recolonization of salmon.

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  30. Once again the greed factor kicks in, I agree with the poster that suggests reverse bidding Bobby out of the industry. Enough of ,this bullshit. Lets go fishing and may the best men prevail. I do this because its what I love doing, the benefit is getting paid good to do it.

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  31. Usually the worst ,most jealous fishermen try to find a way of taking their competitors out. It might be a false call to enforcement. They might sink their boat and collect insurance at the expense of the fleets higher premiums. They might use influence with a processor to coerce peers.But trawling for power and influence over the fleet in Juneau & DC is better than sex.

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  32. Actually it a Chapter...8

    "Trolling for Winter Kings"

    Ted, Ben, and Don Young too.

    "Republican Electile Dysfunction...has anyone told my wife?" by Frank J. Prewitt

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  33. "Judge Sedwick agreed and Kott finally reported to General Sheridan's Federal Penitentiary...I put down the paper and shook my head "These guys really don't get it...Talk about herding chickens."

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  34. If you're implying there is corruption in the politics behind fisheries rationalization, buybacks,etc.,I'm sure Fuglvog knows the true answer.But he's no longer active in fish politics. Ask Bobby.

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  35. Don't ask Bobby just open "The Envelope"

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  36. OK, open the envelope:
    http://groundswellalaska.com/2007/02/12/southeast-alaska-fish-rights-robbed-victor-smith-2007/

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  37. Don't limit permits. Just keep building runs up and create more prosperity.

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  38. the whole permit buyback program was a scam there were seine permit holders buying an extra permit to sell into the program when the government could have held them in trust if a economically disadvantaged community with historical ties to the fishery could have an option to apply for a permit to enhance local economic development. the government used to have low interest long term loans to communities so there could be new vessels and gear purchased. but in todays times the lowliners sell an extra card and remain in the business with hardly any competition

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