Tribes having voting seats on the council would be good as long as any group of American citizens could organize themselves into a "tribe" and be recognized by the federal government. The way AFN wants to do it is racial discrimination pure and simple. It is also counterproductive; the institutionalized racism they are demanding would inevitably create a backlash that would hurt native people.
There is a need to wrest control of Alaskan fisheries management away from the industry vested interests. Putting it in the hands of the small group of individuals who control the federally recognized native tribes in Alaska is lunacy. The NPFC needs to represent all of the people who have a stake in responsible stewardship of our fisheries resources. The people who speak for tribes only really represent themselves and some of the members of their families.
Except for the part about FACA, this is a bad proposal that needs to go to the circular file. Racial discrimination is un-American.
And the Alaska Spanish Rejects, painted on the stern of an Alaska State Ferry!
In Spain, Malaspina's involvement in a conspiracy to overthrow the government culminated in Malaspina's arrest, imprisonment, and eventually banishment. Most of the material collected by this expedition was put away and didn't see the light again until late in the 20th century.
Sure, to paint a picture that all Alaska Natives are corrupt is inaccurate. Tribes, like NGO's must be at the table. A well rounded decision is achieved by having others then industry at the table. That is all the resolution wishes to achieve.
Alaska needs to get its act together and find ways to set aside our differences to focus on real problems which allows us to have a greater impact. For too long, Alaska has been dominated by Washington and Oregon. Alaskans of different color and agenda's need to help in the decision-making process. Its a win-win situation.
"Alaska needs to get its act together and find ways to set aside our differences to focus on real problems which allows us to have a greater impact. For too long, Alaska has been dominated by Washington and Oregon. Alaskans of different color and agenda's need to help in the decision-making process. Its a win-win situation."
There you go, trying to insert rational thought into an emotional name calling melee.
The proposal to seat voting members on the NPFC chosen by tribal organizations which by their structure exclude 85% of Alaskans is guaranteed to rub people the wrong way. AFN is remarkably oblivious to how resolutions like this one will be received. I doubt that it will go anywhere but putting it out in the public wasn't very smart.
Alaska needs to step in and become more effective in protecting our resources from the multinational industrial fishing industry. We are losing out by not being better at it. If we don't start becoming more effective, our chinook salmon will be gone and that would be a travesty.
Yes, you should be ashamed of yourselves. We need a native seat, a dago seat, a pollack seat, a squarehead seat, a swede seat, a russki seat, a black seat, a slavo seat, a frenchy seat, a finn seat, a mexi seat, a jap seat, an empty seat, a, a, a, c'mon guys, help me out, I know I'm forgetting a whole bunch of racially deserving seats to keep things on an even racial keel.
And then we could have a scientific genetic study using the best available science as required under Magnuson, who was of Norwegian and Swedish parentage, where cross breeding, always improves genetics, always!
We already have the sold out Native Model, from the AFN, shown best with the Alaska Limited Entry Act, for no limited entry for a Native.
Of course after you sell out over, and over, and over again, you'll end up with a fishery with too many permits, an optimum number study, and 1 AFN native classic where No LImited Entry Act, ever existed.
Ever meet your BBRSDA and the BBEDC, where the Pebble Copper Mine,could find a whole lot of copper, in those records of 1 particular fishery, the 1 with NO Limited Entry, shown best in the records of the CFEC.
Mining Copper, a Native Speciality shown best selling reissued paper from the State of Confusion's Limited Entry Commission!
That Scientific Study on optimum numbers, always confuses the AFN, ALWAYS!
"Alaska Federation of Natives request the North Pacific Fishery Management Council; the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Marine Fisheries Service to designate a fifty-mile subsistence buffer zone off the Furthest land mass on the Coast of Alaska while providing maximum protection for Community Development Quota Program (CDQ) already in existence."
What does the weasel wording at the end about protecting the CDQ program mean? Is AFN saying that it is OK to rape and pillage the sea as long as the corporation doing the trawling is perceived as being native? How does that make it better?
Norton Sound Economic Development Corporation along with Nippon Suisan Kaisha, Erik Breivik and John Bundy own the factory trawler Northern Glacier. They recently converted it to a bottom trawler. So I guess under this AFN proposal, they would get to scrape the bottom to their hearts' content because that type of destruction is somehow different when a CDQ group is involved.
It's stuff like this that make it hard to take AFN resolutions seriously.
You folks are allowing the AFN Resolution to be a red herring to deflect you from the real issue, which is that small fishermen in general are not represented well on the Council. The "Industry" has the majority of the votes but industry is not the same as small fishermen, regardless of race. This is not a racial problem it is a a class problem, big industry versus small fishermen and their small communities. The small operators in AK have never gotten fair time on the council, though recently that may be changing after about 20 years. This is not entirely Eric Olsen's fault, obviously. He's been there a few years, keeps order in the meetings, has one vote. He has made improvement in lack of coomunication with rural Alaska (Native-non-Native--same problems) fishermen. Because the Native non-profits finally screamed loud enough. Give them some credit! The fault is on the whole darn Alaska contingent over the years that they did not stand up for their fellow citizens and let outside "industry" be the fishermen's voice. Why did it take 20 years for them to open their eyes and see what was happening to coastal Alaska? What is needed is a seat on the council to represent the small fishing communities as communities, because they have concerns different than "industry". Look at what happened in the Gulf to those communities due to the IFQ. not a racial issue but affected the smallest the most. What you get in AFN resolutions like the ones some of you object to is an expression of people's frustration over all those years. And they have a darn good right to be. What other voice do they have? they don't have one on the Council. Their congressional delegation always supports big Industry, which comes largely from outside. Where the heck can they voice their concerns? They have been blacked out. I don't see any fishermens' group standing up politically for SMALL fishermen except the BSFAAK and we don't hear much from them. I agree, the conflict between Western AK communities and their CDQs' conflict of interest due to the big industry revenues is serious when you see the CDQ funds keep going into more and more trawlers, the worst kind of gear for the fish stocks. But this is not all the Council's fault. It gets its marching orders from NOAA/NMFS--that is so obvious and no one mentions that. . NOAA/NMFS is in the pocket of the industrial fleets and pushes the regional councils the way it wants them to go. And our own congression delegation has gone right along with it, even overridden the council to get the rape done faster--read your history on earmarks. It is up to the Alaskans on the Council to stand up for small fishermen and their communities--no one else cares that much. As for how to overcome the conflict in purpose on the CDQs, that to me is more difficult, but in the end it is up to their boards. They are the ones that can say "STOP!" No more investment in trawlers and their destruction. Easy profits can't be our only goal. The managers , most of them, are wed to "profits above all." CDQ communities must work to get stronger voices on their boards--I know that's a big job. We should all work on it instead of bitching. Don't let red herrings separate those who should stick together.
The AFN resolution calls for inclusion of other groups, not only Native, but small scale fishermen looking out for local interests. The FACA exemption language within the MSA needs to be repealed, and we need Alaskans working for Alaskans. Brown, white, yellow, whatever, just a different voice looking out for conservation and local interests!
"The AFN resolution calls for inclusion of other groups, not only Native, but small scale fishermen looking out for local interests."
Actually, it doesn’t. The only role for NGOs in the resolution is helping AFN get “voting seats for the tribes” written into the MSA. There is no mention of small scale fishermen anywhere in the resolution.
Unfortunately, AFN doesn’t have much of a track record of supporting non-native small scale fishermen.
The problem with getting stronger voices on the CDQ corporation boards of directors is even worse than the problem the ANCSA corporations that run AFN face. Even if the board members wanted to do the right thing, they don't have the skills needed to make good decisions about hundreds of millions of dollars.
Running multi-million dollar corporations is not something that just anybody can or should do. It is a Ted Stevens fantasy that you can pick people at random from the rural communities, having eighth grade equivalent education and no real experience managing money and they will magically transform themselves into effective corporate leaders. It hasn't worked that way for the ANCSA corporations and it isn't going to work that way for the CDQs.
Throw into the mix the fact that the people on the boards are mostly desperately poor, don't have a lot of options for income and really need the money they get in per diem and honorariums for attending board meetings. They know that if they make any waves, the management will use the corporation's wealth to get them off the board. There is nothing anybody can do about it either because there are no enforceable rules for how the directors are chosen thanks to the failure of congress to write clear rules requiring meaningful representation and the failure of NMFS and the State of Alaska to implement regulations protecting the rights of CDQ community residents.
The villagers who comprise CDQ program boards of directors would have a hard enough time doing an effective job of running the corporations and controlling fraud and abuse if the CDQ groups had not gotten suckered into competitive big-time for-profit commercial fishing business ventures. That makes them totally dependent upon a cadre of carpetbagging consultants and whiz-bang Bundrant wannabes that claim to know the biz. We've been down this road before and we know where it ends; badly for the owners of the program.
I will be the first to say that bitching is not very satisfying or effective. I'd be interested to hear how "we should work on it instead". Do you have any success stories from your working on improving CDQ group management so far?
Read between the lines. While the AFN resolution doesn't specifically call for small scale fishermen, it is implied with the repeal of FACA. I fish in the Norton Sound and believe the resolution speaks directly to interest of fishermen that operate small skiffs and deliver to the fish plants that occur jobs on Alaskans.
The language relating to FACA should provide some level of comfort that the resolution meant to be inclusive.
The resolution is very specific in what it is requesting as resolutions should be. I don't see any basis for your between the lines reading.
The repeal of the FACA exemption, while not a bad idea, would not necessarily provide any board seats for small scale fishermen on the NPFMC.
If AFN wanted to get small scale fishermen on the council, it should have specified that in the resolution. Can you explain why anyone would think if means something different than what it says?
The language relating to FACA provides no comfort to me that the resolution was meant to be inclusive. If it was meant to be inclusive, why didn't AFN write it that way?
What solutions do I offer, you ask. I would like to see a fisheries scientist on the council. The STC is advisory but having someone who can better understand the information presented by NMFS and the council staff on the council itself would be useful. I'd like to see a way to reduce the industry domination on the council but don't have a specific proposal for how to do that. I agree with the sentiment behind the AFN resolution for having someone from the general public sit on the council but I don't see any reason that these public members should be "voting seats for the tribes" as it says in the AFN resolution.
"Read between the lines." is about as unclear as a foggy day on Kodiak Island! It sounds quite sneaky too for someone to have to interpret by reading between the lines. Fence riding - between the lines is playing it safe in case the idea is not a good one.
Having a "fisheries scientist" on the council is a good idea.
Perhaps the CDQs need "fisheries scientist(s)" on their Management staffs. Like real ones. Not the kind that has been in the field for years with not much to show for gaining knowledge and expertise in field. Going with the flow of those in control is not a good way to protect the resources for the good of all mankind.
The carpetbagger, lobbyists, lawyers and family members hired through nepotism already on the CDQ staffs have already mastered the art of wasting money. How could a competent fisheries scientist or two make it any worse?
when stepping back and looking at the alaska fish scene, you see people from every area, every gear group, every user group fighting or jockying for access to salmon, halibut, and cod just to name a few. i think the result will bring down restrictive action, and a call for aquaculture as wild stocks will no longer be able to sustain alaska's seafood economy.
to the white racist who refers to alaska natives as rejects;i offer you two truths.one amerika did not purchace all of alaska from russia this is a lie perpetuated by amerika!the truth is w h seward agreed to buy fort sitka and fort kodiak from the russians who told him that the rest of the land belongs to the so called rejects you refer to!two these so called rejects you refer to are the only native americans who were never beaten by the u.s. miltary who never signed any treatys giving ther land away to low lifes you so well represent.i am very proud to be called a reject!!thank you
To the native racist, who proudly knows a bit of Baranoff, Shelikoff, and the rest of the story of the Alaska Commercial Company's foundation.
You are correct, a 160 acre purchase by Seward of the Russian Fort, wiped off the map twice, by a few local Tlingits, like the ancestors of Tlingit Chief Anotklosh of the Taku Tribe.
Of course you can believe you would be better off with His Imperial Majesty Royal Government, but I'd rather doubt it, as shown throughout Russian Control, why did those Homer, and Woodburn Oregon Tribes, escape Russia?
Why did you sign Trickey Dicks Legislation, and sell your souls to another corrupt corporation in 1971? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Native_Claims_Settlement_Act
You got beart by the Jewish Lawyers, and Trickey Dick best man too, Pardon Me Jerry, Agnew is on his way to jail too!
By the way it was never called Ft Sitka, until 1867. "New Archangel" (Russian: "Новоaрхангельск" or "Ново-Архангельск"; transliterated: "Novoarkhangelsk" or "Novo-Arkhangelsk")
And us white racists, are truly a fiction, like William H Seward, discussing russin slavery (serf) in his 1st Speech, ROCKING that SENATE Chamber to it FOUNDATION, and preparing to become President Lincolns Secretary of State. Every Tlingit fished at Lincoln Rock!
William H. Seward, discussing the longest held ALASKA LIE!
March 11 1850, the Highest Law
"I have heard somewhat here, and almost for the first time in my life, of divided allegiance--of allegiance to the south and to the Union--of allegiance to states severally and to the Union. Sir, if sympathies with state emulation and pride of achievement could be allowed to raise up another sovereign to divide the allegiance of a citizen of the United States, I might recognize the claims of the state to which, by birth and gratitude, I belong- -to the state of Hamilton and Jay, of Schuyler, of the Clintons, and of Fulton--the state which, with less than two hundred miles of natural navigation connected with the ocean, has, by her own enterprise, secured to herself the commerce of the continent, and is steadily advancing to the command the commerce of the world. But for all this I know only one country and one sovereign--the United States of America and the American People. And such as my allegiance is, is the loyalty of every other citizen of the United States. As I speak, he will speak when his time arrives. He knows no other country and no other sovereign. He has life, liberty, property, and precious affections, and hopes for himself and for his posterity, treasured up in the ark of the Union. He knows as well and feels as strongly as I do, that this government is his own government; that he is a part of it; that it was established for him; and that it was maintained by him; that it is the only truly wise, just, free, and equal government, that has ever existed; that no other government could be so wise, just, free and equal; and that it is safer and more beneficent than any which time or change could bring into its place."
The kindergarden lesson, still confusing any inbread, red or yellow, black or whita!
"So it almost seems righteous that CDQs are bringing fisheries ownership back to the original users of the resource, the residents of Western AK"
"Almost seem righteous" is the operative word here. The people in Western Alaska are still locked out of fisheries ownership by the way the CDQ groups are managed. They have little or nothing to say about what the CDQ groups are doing and the people who make all of the decisions and reap the lion's share of the benefits of ownership are in Anchorage, Juneau and Seattle. Those of us in western Alaska CDQ communities get a few crumbs and we know we'll be the ones holding the bag when these ventures fail, which they certainly will. We've seen how these types of big shot business ventures go during the past 40 years and they rarely work out. It seems that we have to keep relearning the hard way that it requires quite a lot of knowledge and management experience to be successful in competitive businesses. The lessons have been brutal but we have always had Uncle Ted to pick up the pieces and give us a shiny new program to replace the one that failed.
The CDQ program has done very little to make people in Alaska self-sufficient. The jobs and economic development that the program promised never materialized. Most of the money has been hijacked by a few people to be squirreled away in the bank or gambled on the stock market. Not much of it trickles down to the people it was supposed to help. They are still living on government handouts and the CDQ managers don't seem to care. Of course, the fortunate few don't have to see the poverty on a daily basis because they live in gated communities on the hillside overlooking Anchorage.
The CDQ program is another bad example of the tragedy of the commons. A few people cornered it in the beginning and use the CDQ wealth to hire lawyers and consultants to lock everybody else out. People living in poverty are poorly equipped to fight for their rights and can't do much more than complain and watch those complaints fall on deaf ears. The politicians and bureaucrats that could help have been doing a hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil routine for the past 20 years.
Thing is, at the end of the day its the board of directors that determine the course their organization is taking. I know there are challenges, but if you're a resident in a CDQ community and don't like the way things are going, then change it.
Start a movement to replace board members who aren't looking out for the interest of residents. Its unacceptable for the few on top to reap benefits intended for many. Communication is easy nowadays with the internet; social networking sites can be used as tools to help facilitate. There must be trustworthy community members who can be voted into board seats. The power is in your votes.
You seem to be assuming the CDQ groups have fair elections, they don't. Some CDQ groups don't have any elections at all, others routinely cheat to keep the yes men on the board and anyone who might challenge their control off the board.
Nothing in the Magnuson-Stevens Act or the federal or state CDQ regulations require fair elections or provide any recourse when election fraud occurs. When the people running the CDQ elections cheat there is no one to complain to. Wales will be holding a new election for its CDQ director following an election marred by complaints about ballot tampering. Community members complained to DCRA who would help if it had been a municipal election but nobody except the CDQ group administrators oversee CDQ board elections and they have a vest interest in keeping directors who will play dumb at the right times on the board. There is an article on page 5 of the October 13, Nome Nugget.
“Following inconsistencies in its Oct. 4 vote tabulation that it could not reconcile, the City of Wales has determined that it is necessary to again hold the election for the community’s representative to the [NSEDC] Board of Directors." Nome Nugget October 13, 2011 page 5.
Voters in the villages often vote for their family members or for reasons unrelated to the board member's performance and in many of the villages there really isn't anyone that could do a good job. Think about it for a minute, how many individuals having the education and experience to manage multi-million dollar corporations do you have in any community? These people are uncommon anyplace and are uncommonly rare in the small western Alaska communities that own the CDQ program.
Here's a link to an article on CDQ elections on Alaska Report.
A CDQ is a tax by another name. Taxation without representation is what caused the bloodbath that formed the beginnings of this great Nation, full of freedoms from tyranny.
The CDQ is not a tax by another name any more than IFQs or any other type of Q is a tax. It is an allocation of the rights to harvest a common property resource. It is debatable whether or not the migratory fish stocks that swim into and out of the US EEZ belong to the citizens of the United States but they certainly don't belong to individuals or corporations.
Tax = A fee charged (levied) by a government on a product, income , or activity.
You don't say who you think is being taxed or how they acquired ownership of the fish that make up the CDQs in the first place. If you think the commercial fishing industry owns the fish you are wrong. There is no legal basis for making that claim.
"Occupy Nome!" would be a total waste of time because it's a town that is racially and socially divided - uppies and downies. The groups can't seem to support any ideas from each other.
Except maybe for a land deal playing out on the shore of the Bering Sea, Front Street Nome. Thanks to the blogger who gives a link to The Nome Nugget. There's a "rough proposal" on the table according to a front page article in Volume CXI No. 42, 10/22/11 issue, where councilmember Stan Andersen is quoted saying "Today you are asking if we want to go to bed with you."
"....go to bed with you." that sums it up; who's in "bed" with who. Can't "Occupy Nome" because the diplomatic characteristics of decision makers have a self dealing attitude. Bedroom, backdoor, exclusive groups making decisions which have long term effects on the general population.
This week's paper has an article referencing "angry subsistence users" refering to the lack of salmon in the Nome area for 20 years. Land deals, fishing deals, building deals, mining deals - read The Nome Nugget. It's all in print.
Buried in obscurity, in that same issue, is a notice announcing NSEDC's (Norton Sounds CDQ group) upcoming quarterly meeting to be held in "UNK", the areas acronym for Unalakleet. Away from prying eyes and ears of the concerned public. "UNK" where "strange things are done in the midnight sun"! Rumors are that this AFN resolution for a tribal representative to the NPFMC stems from "UNK".
How about Occupy Unalakleet! All the poor villages of Norton Sound should demand that your CDQ representative "drop the trawlers" to save the peoples customary and traditional food resource - the salmon.
Would that be the kustomary intercept of Norton Sound and Kuskokwim salmon, in certain other salmon fisheries also?
One great scientific models of salmon interception, of "other" stocks being intercepted is shown clearly in the Togiak District, operated by the ADF&G, with reports from the new and old scientist, that during some years up to 40% of the Togiak Catch is recorded as bound for more a more northerly salmon river system.
This science, was as usual ignored at the usual and acustome ADF&G, Department of Washed Out Politicians appointed to the Board of NO Equalization in Fish.
Of course when one meets the Board of Imbeciles, and brings up a scientific fact, you'll be guarenteed to get a scientific look, just like a deer in the headlights standing there staring into space, or a local biologist, who also ignores the fact that his neighbors, are actually catching Nome's neighbors fish.
But, as every person knows best, the BOF, could not ever even pass a kindergarden reading lesson on fish either, due to the ignorance required by the governor to get appointed to any Alaska, board of imbeciles in action. Proven to Flunk any scientific reading class, starting in Kindergarden
"One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish this one has a shiney car, this one thinks he's a shining star, oh how many, many, rotten fish there are..."
The science proves, that to become a BOF member, lets just say 4th grade reading comprehension class includes another F- in Basic Education.
To the blogger who've noted that there is "a call for aquaculture as wild stocks will no longer be able to sustain Alaska's seafood economy" - The mismanagement of Alaska's salmon is indeed going to require salmon fry to be raised in tried and true aquaculture facilities such as hatcheries.
There is a rural legend about the Hobson Creek hatchery north of Nome. It appears that there is a control group trying to prevent Nome subsistence users from having access to an abundance of a cultural and traditional food resource not limited to race: Natives, African-Americans, Asians, Caucausians, all love sinking their pearly whites into a good chuck of salmon. It's their right according the the State Constitution. Why isn't the state standing up for the people?
According to The Nome Nugget, 10/27/11 issue in the article titled "House committee on fisheries hears from angry subsistence users", Roy Ashenfelter "testified to the effect that commercial fisheries are allowed to curtail subsistence fishing." Then he goes on to say "When are you going to ask the department fo do their job?"
As a long-term committee chair of the Northern Norton Sound Fish and Game Advisory group, it's about darn time that Roy stands up for the lack of salmon in his hometown of Nome! Twenty years of restrictions and finally, finally, he noticed.
Roy works for the regions CDQ group, NSEDC. It would be great if he addresses that same question at the upcoming NSEDC meeting in Unalakleet. It would be even greater if he calls for the BOD to reevaluate their involvement in the pollock fishery and to recommend a bail-out as soon as possible. If he does that, the poor people of the region will be forever beholden to him.
The aquaculture boards greatest fix, from our U.S. Supreme Court, discussing a few CDQ boards too!
The attack is not upon the procedure, but upon the substantive law. It seems to be contended that in no circumstances could such an order be justified. It certainly is contended that the order cannot be justified upon the existing grounds. The judgment finds the facts that have been recited, and that Carrie Buck
is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health, and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,
and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the legislature and the specific findings of the Court, obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and, if they exist, they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough. [p208]
But, it is said, however it might be if this reasoning were applied generally, it fails when it is confined to the small number who are in the institutions named and is not applied to the multitudes outside. It is the usual last resort of constitutional arguments to point out shortcomings of this sort. But the answer is that the law does all that is needed when it does all that it can, indicates a policy, applies it to all within the lines, and seeks to bring within the lines all similarly situated so far and so fast as its means allow. Of course, so far as the operations enable those who otherwise must be kept confined to be returned to the world, and thus open the asylum to others, the equality aimed at will be more nearly reached.
To the blogger above, I'm having a hard time decipering your blog but I get your point - "...confined to the small number who are in the institutions named and is not applies to the multitudes outside." refers clearly to the small group in control of the CDQs while the majority are on the "outside". That's the truth alright.
You're the village idiot if you don't realize that the references pertain directly to your industry, judicial, state, and federal historical highlights. The problem is that you don't know your own history, don't care to learn it, and are doomed to repeat the mistakes. If he's a troll, burn our constitution, the show's over, our founding fathers, err, trolls, had it all wrong.
I know, it's a little over your head, but try and stick in there, you might learn something.
It is appropriate to bring up the genetic destruction bogeyman on Halloween. Where's the proof that hatcheries are equivalent to salmon genocide?
This is nothing more than a red herring spawned by the extreme greenies that seem to think we can feed 7 billion humanoids on tofu and bean sprouts.
"see how many culltures are destroyed, with this type of genetic destruction." OK ball's in your court. Show me even one salmon "culture" that has been genetically destroyed by hatchery production.
There was a nice little bridge over a creek north of Nome that didn't freeze in the winter because the water runs fast and swift even though it's not deep. Poor people's money paid for that bridge. But, suddenly one spring it 'washed out' even though it was set well above high water. Yes, I agree, ""troll"" and "bridges go together"!!!
Tell me - what is Bobby T doing with all those Alaska Native Corporations anyway -- could it have anything to do with supporting Lisa Murkowski in the last election, maybe Arne?
Tribes having voting seats on the council would be good as long as any group of American citizens could organize themselves into a "tribe" and be recognized by the federal government. The way AFN wants to do it is racial discrimination pure and simple. It is also counterproductive; the institutionalized racism they are demanding would inevitably create a backlash that would hurt native people.
ReplyDeleteThere is a need to wrest control of Alaskan fisheries management away from the industry vested interests. Putting it in the hands of the small group of individuals who control the federally recognized native tribes in Alaska is lunacy. The NPFC needs to represent all of the people who have a stake in responsible stewardship of our fisheries resources. The people who speak for tribes only really represent themselves and some of the members of their families.
Except for the part about FACA, this is a bad proposal that needs to go to the circular file. Racial discrimination is un-American.
You have your head up your ass, and do Alaska a favor, buy a one way ticket back to people who rejected you. Reject!
ReplyDeleteLike a Two way Ticket to St. Petersburg, where doing a favor for Russia included taking the rejects of Russian America.
ReplyDeleteReject, a Russian American Motto since the folly of our purchased of rejects by Sec. of State, W.H. Seward.
"back to the people who rejected you?"
And the Alaska Spanish Rejects, painted on the stern of an Alaska State Ferry!
ReplyDeleteIn Spain, Malaspina's involvement in a conspiracy to overthrow the government culminated in Malaspina's arrest, imprisonment, and eventually banishment. Most of the material collected by this expedition was put away and didn't see the light again until late in the 20th century.
Can we get a few Spanish Seats too?
These comments are either confusing blather, or knee-jerk verbal fistfights. Can we improve the discourse, please?
ReplyDeleteSure, to paint a picture that all Alaska Natives are corrupt is inaccurate. Tribes, like NGO's must be at the table. A well rounded decision is achieved by having others then industry at the table. That is all the resolution wishes to achieve.
ReplyDeleteAlaska needs to get its act together and find ways to set aside our differences to focus on real problems which allows us to have a greater impact. For too long, Alaska has been dominated by Washington and Oregon. Alaskans of different color and agenda's need to help in the decision-making process. Its a win-win situation.
A PILE of pure racialution B.S.!!!
ReplyDeleteNew word alert!
Racialution; a proposed solution of sorts based purely on racial division; discrimination by race; an illegal document.
When you steal more quota would you please, please hire me to harvest it for you? It's hard work you know, to actually harvest.
ReplyDeleteRacialution. I like it.
ReplyDeleteRacialutions like this one only create more probelems. They are never a solution to anything.
"Alaska needs to get its act together and find ways to set aside our differences to focus on real problems which allows us to have a greater impact. For too long, Alaska has been dominated by Washington and Oregon. Alaskans of different color and agenda's need to help in the decision-making process. Its a win-win situation."
ReplyDeleteThere you go, trying to insert rational thought into an emotional name calling melee.
The proposal to seat voting members on the NPFC chosen by tribal organizations which by their structure exclude 85% of Alaskans is guaranteed to rub people the wrong way. AFN is remarkably oblivious to how resolutions like this one will be received. I doubt that it will go anywhere but putting it out in the public wasn't very smart.
Alaska needs to step in and become more effective in protecting our resources from the multinational industrial fishing industry. We are losing out by not being better at it. If we don't start becoming more effective, our chinook salmon will be gone and that would be a travesty.
Sure all we need is a bunch of dum natives at the table who dont understand fishing make them give up all that cdq money that the gulf don't get
ReplyDeleteAll user groups should be represented on the NPFMC, its a fair request for AFN to ask for a tribal seat.
ReplyDeleteThe racial slurs on this topic are rather disgusting, some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Yes, you should be ashamed of yourselves. We need a native seat, a dago seat, a pollack seat, a squarehead seat, a swede seat, a russki seat, a black seat, a slavo seat, a frenchy seat, a finn seat, a mexi seat, a jap seat, an empty seat, a, a, a, c'mon guys, help me out, I know I'm forgetting a whole bunch of racially deserving seats to keep things on an even racial keel.
ReplyDeleteAnd then we could have a scientific genetic study using the best available science as required under Magnuson, who was of Norwegian and Swedish parentage, where cross breeding, always improves genetics, always!
ReplyDeleteAnd then we should have a seat for fishermen who've sold out that want to tell other fishermen how do fish!! We'll call that the FVOA seat!
ReplyDelete...or FFVOA - Former Fishing Vessel Owners Ass.
ReplyDeleteWe already have the sold out Native Model, from the AFN, shown best with the Alaska Limited Entry Act, for no limited entry for a Native.
ReplyDeleteOf course after you sell out over, and over, and over again, you'll end up with a fishery with too many permits, an optimum number study, and 1 AFN native classic where No LImited Entry Act, ever existed.
Ever meet your BBRSDA and the BBEDC, where the Pebble Copper Mine,could find a whole lot of copper, in those records of 1 particular fishery, the 1 with NO Limited Entry, shown best in the records of the CFEC.
Mining Copper, a Native Speciality shown best selling reissued paper from the State of Confusion's Limited Entry Commission!
That Scientific Study on optimum numbers, always confuses the AFN, ALWAYS!
There is already a native on the council; Eric Olsen. He probably belongs to a tribe from Bristol Bay somewhere.
ReplyDeleteThe Alaskan Commissioner of Fish and Game is on the council. She is suppose to represent the best interests of all Alaskans regardless of race.
ReplyDelete"Alaska Federation of Natives request the North Pacific Fishery Management Council; the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Marine Fisheries Service to designate a fifty-mile subsistence buffer zone off the Furthest land mass on the Coast of Alaska while providing maximum protection for Community Development Quota Program (CDQ) already in existence."
ReplyDeleteWhat does the weasel wording at the end about protecting the CDQ program mean? Is AFN saying that it is OK to rape and pillage the sea as long as the corporation doing the trawling is perceived as being native? How does that make it better?
Norton Sound Economic Development Corporation along with Nippon Suisan Kaisha, Erik Breivik and John Bundy own the factory trawler Northern Glacier. They recently converted it to a bottom trawler. So I guess under this AFN proposal, they would get to scrape the bottom to their hearts' content because that type of destruction is somehow different when a CDQ group is involved.
It's stuff like this that make it hard to take AFN resolutions seriously.
And even Eric Olsen, knows about AFN inbreeding science, and he mentioned as unhealthy to fish!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.worldfishingtoday.com/news/default.asp?nyId=308
Turn on the lights, the cockroaches will scurry.
ReplyDeleteYou folks are allowing the AFN Resolution to be a red herring to deflect you from the real issue, which is that small fishermen in general are not represented well on the Council. The "Industry" has the majority of the votes but industry is not the same as small fishermen, regardless of race. This is not a racial problem it is a a class problem, big industry versus small fishermen and their small communities. The small operators in AK have never gotten fair time on the council, though recently that may be changing after about 20 years.
ReplyDeleteThis is not entirely Eric Olsen's fault, obviously. He's been there a few years, keeps order in the meetings, has one vote. He has made improvement in lack of coomunication with rural Alaska (Native-non-Native--same problems) fishermen. Because the Native non-profits finally screamed loud enough. Give them some credit!
The fault is on the whole darn Alaska contingent over the years that they did not stand up for their fellow citizens and let outside "industry" be the fishermen's voice. Why did it take 20 years for them to open their eyes and see what was happening to coastal Alaska?
What is needed is a seat on the council to represent the small fishing communities as communities, because they have concerns different than "industry". Look at what happened in the Gulf to those communities due to the IFQ. not a racial issue but affected the smallest the most.
What you get in AFN resolutions like the ones some of you object to is an expression of people's frustration over all those years. And they have a darn good right to be. What other voice do they have? they don't have one on the Council. Their congressional delegation always supports big Industry, which comes largely from outside. Where the heck can they voice their concerns? They have been blacked out. I don't see any fishermens' group standing up politically for SMALL fishermen except the BSFAAK and we don't hear much from them.
I agree, the conflict between Western AK communities and their CDQs' conflict of interest due to the big industry revenues is serious when you see the CDQ funds keep going into more and more trawlers, the worst kind of gear for the fish stocks. But this is not all the Council's fault. It gets its marching orders from NOAA/NMFS--that is so obvious and no one mentions that. .
NOAA/NMFS is in the pocket of the industrial fleets and pushes the regional councils the way it wants them to go. And our own congression delegation has gone right along with it, even overridden the council to get the rape done faster--read your history on earmarks.
It is up to the Alaskans on the Council to stand up for small fishermen and their communities--no one else cares that much. As for how to overcome the conflict in purpose on the CDQs, that to me is more difficult, but in the end it is up to their boards. They are the ones that can say "STOP!" No more investment in trawlers and their destruction. Easy profits can't be our only goal. The managers , most of them, are wed to "profits above all." CDQ communities must work to get stronger voices on their boards--I know that's a big job. We should all work on it instead of bitching.
Don't let red herrings separate those who should stick together.
Good comment. Were you aware that for the CDQ groups that even have elections for their boards of directors, they cheat on the elections?
ReplyDeleteNSEDC is having o hold another one in Wales next week because of ballot box tampering.
Here's a good article by Stephen Taufen of Groundswell about another NSEDC election.
http://alaskareport.com/news109/x71351_alaska_cdq_group.htm
I'm told that some of the CDQ groups don't even bother to hold elections.
The AFN resolution calls for inclusion of other groups, not only Native, but small scale fishermen looking out for local interests. The FACA exemption language within the MSA needs to be repealed, and we need Alaskans working for Alaskans. Brown, white, yellow, whatever, just a different voice looking out for conservation and local interests!
ReplyDelete"The AFN resolution calls for inclusion of other groups, not only Native, but small scale fishermen looking out for local interests."
ReplyDeleteActually, it doesn’t. The only role for NGOs in the resolution is helping AFN get “voting seats for the tribes” written into the MSA. There is no mention of small scale fishermen anywhere in the resolution.
Unfortunately, AFN doesn’t have much of a track record of supporting non-native small scale fishermen.
The problem with getting stronger voices on the CDQ corporation boards of directors is even worse than the problem the ANCSA corporations that run AFN face. Even if the board members wanted to do the right thing, they don't have the skills needed to make good decisions about hundreds of millions of dollars.
ReplyDeleteRunning multi-million dollar corporations is not something that just anybody can or should do. It is a Ted Stevens fantasy that you can pick people at random from the rural communities, having eighth grade equivalent education and no real experience managing money and they will magically transform themselves into effective corporate leaders. It hasn't worked that way for the ANCSA corporations and it isn't going to work that way for the CDQs.
Throw into the mix the fact that the people on the boards are mostly desperately poor, don't have a lot of options for income and really need the money they get in per diem and honorariums for attending board meetings. They know that if they make any waves, the management will use the corporation's wealth to get them off the board. There is nothing anybody can do about it either because there are no enforceable rules for how the directors are chosen thanks to the failure of congress to write clear rules requiring meaningful representation and the failure of NMFS and the State of Alaska to implement regulations protecting the rights of CDQ community residents.
The villagers who comprise CDQ program boards of directors would have a hard enough time doing an effective job of running the corporations and controlling fraud and abuse if the CDQ groups had not gotten suckered into competitive big-time for-profit commercial fishing business ventures. That makes them totally dependent upon a cadre of carpetbagging consultants and whiz-bang Bundrant wannabes that claim to know the biz. We've been down this road before and we know where it ends; badly for the owners of the program.
I will be the first to say that bitching is not very satisfying or effective. I'd be interested to hear how "we should work on it instead". Do you have any success stories from your working on improving CDQ group management so far?
Read between the lines. While the AFN resolution doesn't specifically call for small scale fishermen, it is implied with the repeal of FACA. I fish in the Norton Sound and believe the resolution speaks directly to interest of fishermen that operate small skiffs and deliver to the fish plants that occur jobs on Alaskans.
ReplyDeleteThe language relating to FACA should provide some level of comfort that the resolution meant to be inclusive.
What solutions do you offer?
The resolution is very specific in what it is requesting as resolutions should be. I don't see any basis for your between the lines reading.
ReplyDeleteThe repeal of the FACA exemption, while not a bad idea, would not necessarily provide any board seats for small scale fishermen on the NPFMC.
If AFN wanted to get small scale fishermen on the council, it should have specified that in the resolution. Can you explain why anyone would think if means something different than what it says?
The language relating to FACA provides no comfort to me that the resolution was meant to be inclusive. If it was meant to be inclusive, why didn't AFN write it that way?
What solutions do I offer, you ask. I would like to see a fisheries scientist on the council. The STC is advisory but having someone who can better understand the information presented by NMFS and the council staff on the council itself would be useful. I'd like to see a way to reduce the industry domination on the council but don't have a specific proposal for how to do that. I agree with the sentiment behind the AFN resolution for having someone from the general public sit on the council but I don't see any reason that these public members should be "voting seats for the tribes" as it says in the AFN resolution.
AFN smoke'm peace pipe too much.
ReplyDeleteAFN open'm can of whup ass!
ReplyDelete"Read between the lines." is about as unclear as a foggy day on Kodiak Island! It sounds quite sneaky too for someone to have to interpret by reading between the lines. Fence riding - between the lines is playing it safe in case the idea is not a good one.
ReplyDeleteHaving a "fisheries scientist" on the council is a good idea.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the CDQs need "fisheries scientist(s)" on their Management staffs. Like real ones. Not the kind that has been in the field for years with not much to show for gaining knowledge and expertise in field. Going with the flow of those in control is not a good way to protect the resources for the good of all mankind.
Having a fisheries scientist on CDQ's staffs would do nothing. It would be another waste of money.
ReplyDeleteThe carpetbagger, lobbyists, lawyers and family members hired through nepotism already on the CDQ staffs have already mastered the art of wasting money. How could a competent fisheries scientist or two make it any worse?
ReplyDeletewhen stepping back and looking at the alaska fish scene, you see people from every area, every gear group, every user group fighting or jockying for access to salmon, halibut, and cod just to name a few. i think the result will bring down restrictive action, and a call for aquaculture as wild stocks will no longer be able to sustain alaska's seafood economy.
ReplyDeleteto the white racist who refers to alaska natives as rejects;i offer you two truths.one amerika did not purchace all of alaska from russia this is a lie perpetuated by amerika!the truth is w h seward agreed to buy fort sitka and fort kodiak from the russians who told him that the rest of the land belongs to the so called rejects you refer to!two these so called rejects you refer to are the only native americans who were never beaten by the u.s. miltary who never signed any treatys giving ther land away to low lifes you so well represent.i am very proud to be called a reject!!thank you
ReplyDeleteTo the native racist, who proudly knows a bit of Baranoff, Shelikoff, and the rest of the story of the Alaska Commercial Company's foundation.
ReplyDeleteYou are correct, a 160 acre purchase by Seward of the Russian Fort, wiped off the map twice, by a few local Tlingits, like the ancestors of Tlingit
Chief Anotklosh of the Taku Tribe.
Of course you can believe you would be better off with His Imperial Majesty Royal Government, but I'd rather doubt it, as shown throughout Russian Control, why did those Homer, and Woodburn Oregon Tribes, escape Russia?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-American_Company
Why did you sign Trickey Dicks Legislation, and sell your souls to another corrupt corporation in 1971?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Native_Claims_Settlement_Act
You got beart by the Jewish Lawyers, and Trickey Dick best man too, Pardon Me Jerry, Agnew is on his way to jail too!
The russian american Racists???
ReplyDeleteПод высочайшим Его Императорского Величества покровительством Российская-Американская Компания
By the way it was never called Ft Sitka, until 1867.
ReplyDelete"New Archangel" (Russian: "Новоaрхангельск" or "Ново-Архангельск"; transliterated: "Novoarkhangelsk" or "Novo-Arkhangelsk")
And us white racists, are truly a fiction, like William H Seward, discussing russin slavery (serf) in his 1st Speech, ROCKING that SENATE Chamber to it FOUNDATION, and preparing to become President Lincolns Secretary of State.
ReplyDeleteEvery Tlingit fished at Lincoln Rock!
INBREAD? a self evident truth!
http://eweb.furman.edu/~benson/docs/seward.htm
William H. Seward, discussing the longest held ALASKA LIE!
ReplyDeleteMarch 11 1850, the Highest Law
"I have heard somewhat here, and almost for the first time in my life, of divided allegiance--of allegiance to the south and to the Union--of allegiance to states severally and to the Union. Sir, if sympathies with state emulation and pride of achievement could be allowed to raise up another sovereign to divide the allegiance of a citizen of the United States, I might recognize the claims of the state to which, by birth and gratitude, I belong- -to the state of Hamilton and Jay, of Schuyler, of the Clintons, and of Fulton--the state which, with less than two hundred miles of natural navigation connected with the ocean, has, by her own enterprise, secured to herself the commerce of the continent, and is steadily advancing to the command the commerce of the world. But for all this I know only one country and one sovereign--the United States of America and the American People. And such as my allegiance is, is the loyalty of every other citizen of the United States. As I speak, he will speak when his time arrives. He knows no other country and no other sovereign. He has life, liberty, property, and precious affections, and hopes for himself and for his posterity, treasured up in the ark of the Union. He knows as well and feels as strongly as I do, that this government is his own government; that he is a part of it; that it was established for him; and that it was maintained by him; that it is the only truly wise, just, free, and equal government, that has ever existed; that no other government could be so wise, just, free and equal; and that it is safer and more beneficent than any which time or change could bring into its place."
The kindergarden lesson, still confusing any inbread, red or yellow, black or whita!
When are the native peoples going to become self sufficient?
ReplyDeleteWhen are we going to end racial discrimination?
Native preference must end.
ALL must have equal rights to foster a healthy society.
Actually Natives were very much self-sufficient before Russians and the US with manifest destiny came along.
ReplyDeleteThey're trying to find a place in a world that frankly is foreign to them... its a little harder to make it when the pie was divvied up without you.
So it almost seems righteous that CDQs are bringing fisheries ownership back to the original users of the resource, the residents of Western AK,
"So it almost seems righteous that CDQs are bringing fisheries ownership back to the original users of the resource, the residents of Western AK"
ReplyDelete"Almost seem righteous" is the operative word here. The people in Western Alaska are still locked out of fisheries ownership by the way the CDQ groups are managed. They have little or nothing to say about what the CDQ groups are doing and the people who make all of the decisions and reap the lion's share of the benefits of ownership are in Anchorage, Juneau and Seattle. Those of us in western Alaska CDQ communities get a few crumbs and we know we'll be the ones holding the bag when these ventures fail, which they certainly will. We've seen how these types of big shot business ventures go during the past 40 years and they rarely work out. It seems that we have to keep relearning the hard way that it requires quite a lot of knowledge and management experience to be successful in competitive businesses. The lessons have been brutal but we have always had Uncle Ted to pick up the pieces and give us a shiny new program to replace the one that failed.
The CDQ program has done very little to make people in Alaska self-sufficient. The jobs and economic development that the program promised never materialized. Most of the money has been hijacked by a few people to be squirreled away in the bank or gambled on the stock market. Not much of it trickles down to the people it was supposed to help. They are still living on government handouts and the CDQ managers don't seem to care. Of course, the fortunate few don't have to see the poverty on a daily basis because they live in gated communities on the hillside overlooking Anchorage.
The CDQ program is another bad example of the tragedy of the commons. A few people cornered it in the beginning and use the CDQ wealth to hire lawyers and consultants to lock everybody else out. People living in poverty are poorly equipped to fight for their rights and can't do much more than complain and watch those complaints fall on deaf ears. The politicians and bureaucrats that could help have been doing a hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil routine for the past 20 years.
Thing is, at the end of the day its the board of directors that determine the course their organization is taking. I know there are challenges, but if you're a resident in a CDQ community and don't like the way things are going, then change it.
ReplyDeleteStart a movement to replace board members who aren't looking out for the interest of residents. Its unacceptable for the few on top to reap benefits intended for many. Communication is easy nowadays with the internet; social networking sites can be used as tools to help facilitate. There must be trustworthy community members who can be voted into board seats. The power is in your votes.
You seem to be assuming the CDQ groups have fair elections, they don't. Some CDQ groups don't have any elections at all, others routinely cheat to keep the yes men on the board and anyone who might challenge their control off the board.
ReplyDeleteNothing in the Magnuson-Stevens Act or the federal or state CDQ regulations require fair elections or provide any recourse when election fraud occurs. When the people running the CDQ elections cheat there is no one to complain to. Wales will be holding a new election for its CDQ director following an election marred by complaints about ballot tampering. Community members complained to DCRA who would help if it had been a municipal election but nobody except the CDQ group administrators oversee CDQ board elections and they have a vest interest in keeping directors who will play dumb at the right times on the board. There is an article on page 5 of the October 13, Nome Nugget.
“Following inconsistencies in its Oct. 4 vote tabulation that it could not reconcile, the City of Wales has determined that it is necessary to again hold the election for the community’s representative to the [NSEDC] Board of Directors." Nome Nugget October 13, 2011 page 5.
Voters in the villages often vote for their family members or for reasons unrelated to the board member's performance and in many of the villages there really isn't anyone that could do a good job. Think about it for a minute, how many individuals having the education and experience to manage multi-million dollar corporations do you have in any community? These people are uncommon anyplace and are uncommonly rare in the small western Alaska communities that own the CDQ program.
Here's a link to an article on CDQ elections on Alaska Report.
For some reason the links got deleted from the previous post.
ReplyDeleteTrying again,
(http://www.nomenugget.net/20111013/index.php)
(http://alaskareport.com/news109/x71351_alaska_cdq_group.htm)
Occupy Nome!
ReplyDeleteA CDQ is a tax by another name. Taxation without representation is what caused the bloodbath that formed the beginnings of this great Nation, full of freedoms from tyranny.
ReplyDeleteThe CDQ is not a tax by another name any more than IFQs or any other type of Q is a tax. It is an allocation of the rights to harvest a common property resource. It is debatable whether or not the migratory fish stocks that swim into and out of the US EEZ belong to the citizens of the United States but they certainly don't belong to individuals or corporations.
ReplyDeleteTax = A fee charged (levied) by a government on a product, income , or activity.
You don't say who you think is being taxed or how they acquired ownership of the fish that make up the CDQs in the first place. If you think the commercial fishing industry owns the fish you are wrong. There is no legal basis for making that claim.
"Occupy Nome!" would be a total waste of time because it's a town that is racially and socially divided - uppies and downies. The groups can't seem to support any ideas from each other.
ReplyDeleteExcept maybe for a land deal playing out on the shore of the Bering Sea, Front Street Nome. Thanks to the blogger who gives a link to The Nome Nugget. There's a "rough proposal" on the table according to a front page article in Volume CXI No. 42, 10/22/11 issue, where councilmember Stan Andersen is quoted saying "Today you are asking if we want to go to bed with you."
"....go to bed with you." that sums it up; who's in "bed" with who. Can't "Occupy Nome" because the diplomatic characteristics of decision makers have a self dealing attitude. Bedroom, backdoor, exclusive groups making decisions which have long term effects on the general population.
This week's paper has an article referencing "angry subsistence users" refering to the lack of salmon in the Nome area for 20 years. Land deals, fishing deals, building deals, mining deals - read The Nome Nugget. It's all in print.
Buried in obscurity, in that same issue, is a notice announcing NSEDC's (Norton Sounds CDQ group) upcoming quarterly meeting to be held in "UNK", the areas acronym for Unalakleet. Away from prying eyes and ears of the concerned public. "UNK" where "strange things are done in the midnight sun"! Rumors are that this AFN resolution for a tribal representative to the NPFMC stems from "UNK".
How about Occupy Unalakleet! All the poor villages of Norton Sound should demand that your CDQ representative "drop the trawlers" to save the peoples customary and traditional food resource - the salmon.
Would that be the kustomary intercept of Norton Sound and Kuskokwim salmon, in certain other salmon fisheries also?
ReplyDeleteOne great scientific models of salmon interception, of "other" stocks being intercepted is shown clearly in the Togiak District, operated by the ADF&G, with reports from the new and old scientist, that during some years up to 40% of the Togiak Catch is recorded as bound for more a more northerly salmon river system.
This science, was as usual ignored at the usual and acustome ADF&G, Department of Washed Out Politicians appointed to the Board of NO Equalization in Fish.
Of course when one meets the Board of Imbeciles, and brings up a scientific fact, you'll be guarenteed to get a scientific look, just like a deer in the headlights standing there staring into space, or a local biologist, who also ignores the fact that his neighbors, are actually catching Nome's neighbors fish.
But, as every person knows best, the BOF, could not ever even pass a kindergarden reading lesson on fish either, due to the ignorance required by the governor to get appointed to any Alaska, board of imbeciles in action. Proven to Flunk any scientific reading class, starting in Kindergarden
"One Fish
Two Fish
Red Fish
Blue Fish
this one has a shiney car, this one thinks he's a shining star, oh how many, many, rotten fish there are..."
The science proves, that to become a BOF member, lets just say 4th grade reading comprehension class includes another F- in Basic Education.
CDQ Blues
ReplyDeleteNo fish
few fish
No fish
few fish
anywhere
scoffing braggarts
secretly
meeting
somewhere
Repeat lyrics with the tune dunt, dunt, donn, da, dah, dunt, dunt, donn, da, dah!
To the blogger who've noted that there is "a call for aquaculture as wild stocks will no longer be able to sustain Alaska's seafood economy" - The mismanagement of Alaska's salmon is indeed going to require salmon fry to be raised in tried and true aquaculture facilities such as hatcheries.
ReplyDeleteThere is a rural legend about the Hobson Creek hatchery north of Nome. It appears that there is a control group trying to prevent Nome subsistence users from having access to an abundance of a cultural and traditional food resource not limited to race: Natives, African-Americans, Asians, Caucausians, all love sinking their pearly whites into a good chuck of salmon. It's their right according the the State Constitution. Why isn't the state standing up for the people?
According to The Nome Nugget, 10/27/11 issue in the article titled "House committee on fisheries hears from angry subsistence users", Roy Ashenfelter "testified to the effect that commercial fisheries are allowed to curtail subsistence fishing." Then he goes on to say "When are you going to ask the department fo do their job?"
ReplyDeleteAs a long-term committee chair of the Northern Norton Sound Fish and Game Advisory group, it's about darn time that Roy stands up for the lack of salmon in his hometown of Nome! Twenty years of restrictions and finally, finally, he noticed.
Roy works for the regions CDQ group, NSEDC. It would be great if he addresses that same question at the upcoming NSEDC meeting in Unalakleet. It would be even greater if he calls for the BOD to reevaluate their involvement in the pollock fishery and to recommend a bail-out as soon as possible. If he does that, the poor people of the region will be forever beholden to him.
Yea, Aquaculture!
ReplyDeleteLets just wipe out every wild stock of salmon, with aquaculture.
Not a hatchery, just change the name to aqua, and see how many culltures are destroyed, with this type of genetic destruction.
Just get on over tp PWS, that PuwkieWeakSalmon, for a 2% tax pan, with a 1% brain plan!
The aquaculture boards greatest fix, from our U.S. Supreme Court, discussing a few CDQ boards too!
ReplyDeleteThe attack is not upon the procedure, but upon the substantive law. It seems to be contended that in no circumstances could such an order be justified. It certainly is contended that the order cannot be justified upon the existing grounds. The judgment finds the facts that have been recited, and that Carrie Buck
is the probable potential parent of socially inadequate offspring, likewise afflicted, that she may be sexually sterilized without detriment to her general health, and that her welfare and that of society will be promoted by her sterilization,
and thereupon makes the order. In view of the general declarations of the legislature and the specific findings of the Court, obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and, if they exist, they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough. [p208]
But, it is said, however it might be if this reasoning were applied generally, it fails when it is confined to the small number who are in the institutions named and is not applied to the multitudes outside. It is the usual last resort of constitutional arguments to point out shortcomings of this sort. But the answer is that the law does all that is needed when it does all that it can, indicates a policy, applies it to all within the lines, and seeks to bring within the lines all similarly situated so far and so fast as its means allow. Of course, so far as the operations enable those who otherwise must be kept confined to be returned to the world, and thus open the asylum to others, the equality aimed at will be more nearly reached.
ReplyDeleteJudgment affirmed.
To the blogger above, I'm having a hard time decipering your blog but I get your point - "...confined to the small number who are in the institutions named and is not applies to the multitudes outside." refers clearly to the small group in control of the CDQs while the majority are on the "outside". That's the truth alright.
ReplyDeleteHe's a rambling troll with incoherent posts. The chance that he might of made some sort of connection is pure happenstance. Don't feed him.
ReplyDeleteHappenstance? Are you serious?
ReplyDeleteYou're the village idiot if you don't realize that the references pertain directly to your industry, judicial, state, and federal historical highlights. The problem is that you don't know your own history, don't care to learn it, and are doomed to repeat the mistakes. If he's a troll, burn our constitution, the show's over, our founding fathers, err, trolls, had it all wrong.
I know, it's a little over your head, but try and stick in there, you might learn something.
It is appropriate to bring up the genetic destruction bogeyman on Halloween. Where's the proof that hatcheries are equivalent to salmon genocide?
ReplyDeleteThis is nothing more than a red herring spawned by the extreme greenies that seem to think we can feed 7 billion humanoids on tofu and bean sprouts.
"see how many culltures are destroyed, with this type of genetic destruction." OK ball's in your court. Show me even one salmon "culture" that has been genetically destroyed by hatchery production.
"troll" and bridges go together.
ReplyDeleteThere was a nice little bridge over a creek north of Nome that didn't freeze in the winter because the water runs fast and swift even though it's not deep. Poor people's money paid for that bridge. But, suddenly one spring it 'washed out' even though it was set well above high water. Yes, I agree, ""troll"" and "bridges go together"!!!
ReplyDeleteLEADERSHIP COUNCIL
ReplyDeleteWill Anderson, President & CEO
Koniag, Inc.
Margaret Brown, President and CEO
CIRI
Mike Felix, President
AT&T Alaska
Patrick Gamble, President
University of Alaska
Marie Greene, President and CEO
NANA
Lynn Johnson, President
Dowland-Bach
Linda Leary, President
Carlile Transportation Systems, Inc.
Wendy Lindskoog, Corporate Affairs
Alaska Railroad Corporation
Bob Thorstenson
Leadership Council Members as of January 14, 2011
Tell me - what is Bobby T doing with all those Alaska Native Corporations anyway -- could it have anything to do with supporting Lisa Murkowski in the last election, maybe Arne?