tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post1729974167218789675..comments2024-03-26T00:58:48.112-08:00Comments on Deckboss: Is NMFS science cheating snow crabbers?Deckbosshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17148693485334011720noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-58544348243084646632009-12-23T09:49:00.565-09:002009-12-23T09:49:00.565-09:00Apparently the job isn't getting done!...Wheth...Apparently the job isn't getting done!...Whether it's limited financial support, not enough diversified experience on survey vessels, to re-structure for efficient methods, or towing methodology, an accurate and calculated biomass is not being met. With a skewed and unproven plan of action, how can a scientist correctly extrapolate abundance, or reduction of stocks? Fish and crustaceans move constantly. How could it ever be possible to gather accurate data, especially without private interest getting in the way. When are we going to see non-partial decision makers in government that can take honest and effective measures to protect all. They move as fast as a slimey fish does, especially when money is involved. Maybe we should start with their pay directly determined by their peers that are affected by their decisions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-74379629820079085842009-12-23T09:01:06.224-09:002009-12-23T09:01:06.224-09:00Umm... isn't the idea of a stock assessment su...Umm... isn't the idea of a stock assessment survey to track changes over time? This is old news. They've known about the inefficiencies of trawl surveys for years. <br /><br />The guys saying they should use pots miss the point. The idea is not to catch crab, but to get an indication of the relative distribution of crab and to feed that number into the statistical models to determine the quotas. Bait skews the survey as it brings crab to the sampling device (i.e. the pot) rather than getting a random sample. <br /><br />Plus, the important thing is not how much crab the trawl catches. If the survey caught more crab, the statistical model would need to be changed to account for that. The important thing is the change in survey data year after year. <br /><br />I would be much more alarmed if the research showed that the old trawl survey had wildly fluctuating catch rates rather than consistently low catch rates. If wildly fluctuating, when low catches are encountered it could artificially depress quotas. It could just as easily be the basis for quotas being set too high some years, leading to too much pressure on the stock and subsequent crash. I don't want the scientists to rob me of a fair quota today or to give me too much today at the expense of tomorrow's season.<br /><br />The big question is not whether the old trawl or the experimental trawl catches more or less crab, but whether it does so with accurate consistency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-52214403324202709932009-12-23T08:03:26.768-09:002009-12-23T08:03:26.768-09:00I don't see how asking a lobbyist if their ind...I don't see how asking a lobbyist if their industry is getting short-changed is going to get you anything but an answer that promotes that industry's bottom-line interest. That's what lobbyists are paid to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-34147961852972243912009-12-23T08:02:57.855-09:002009-12-23T08:02:57.855-09:00If they want to catch Pollock....Give them a progr...If they want to catch Pollock....Give them a program to use jigging machines...They do it for Squid in other parts of the world....why not Pollock?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-13784790536330480352009-12-23T07:46:45.754-09:002009-12-23T07:46:45.754-09:00We should impose a federal tax on pollock/cod drag...We should impose a federal tax on pollock/cod draggers, and cannery boat owners, to pay for all the crab and groundfish surveys, since they are the ones that have been benefiting the most from these screw ups for the last 30 years. Heck we should just shut em down, before they tear up and rape the rest of the Bering and Pacific waters.It's time to send a message to those that abuse the resources thru the Temptation of back door deals. It's an outdated/expensive, and destructive gear type anyways. It's time to kick these effers in the nuts and then in the pocket books. Hasn't anybody noticed, since the Senior ranking Senator, from Alaska, has lost his coruptive leverage in D.C., their industry just isn't the same? That speaks volumes in what has been happening in the past. I say the new MPA's around the Bering and Alaskan Peninsula should Bar any type of trawl nets, in state waters and Federal. Promote/reward fishing practices that help to rebuild stocks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-84013474648302047742009-12-22T22:40:45.468-09:002009-12-22T22:40:45.468-09:00I heard that those guys used them exact same trawl...I heard that those guys used them exact same trawls year after year in the same place in order that their catch effort would be consistent over time. <br /><br />JFC what Boneheads! <br /><br />They need to be using the most state of the art gear (updated every year) and fishing in the nurseries to have the highest possible survey catches and thereby the maximal annual quota.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-31566342747100161112009-12-22T12:05:43.164-09:002009-12-22T12:05:43.164-09:00Or better yet start using pots for their pollock s...Or better yet start using pots for their pollock survey!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-71403043962628681382009-12-22T11:40:41.746-09:002009-12-22T11:40:41.746-09:00I believe the two anon commenters above are right....I believe the two anon commenters above are right. Doing a "trawl" survey is just stupid. Use pots!SEATTLEGUYnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-30418228648009055972009-12-22T08:38:28.176-09:002009-12-22T08:38:28.176-09:00Why are Pollock/Cod Trawlers doing Surveys for Cra...Why are Pollock/Cod Trawlers doing Surveys for Crab Vessels?....This is a direct conflict of interest!...and they know it...This is B.S....<br /> Put observers on a bunch of pot boats to do surveying during the closure periods....paid for by the government....Where's all the revenue for the government programs going?...From this angle, looks like back into the pockets of those lining the politicians'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9188370370448778552.post-44766252346528102942009-12-22T08:16:43.062-09:002009-12-22T08:16:43.062-09:00So, How many years has this been going on?....Isn&...So, How many years has this been going on?....Isn't the private industries' portion of the interest, to aid and insure effective sampling? Who's been running this circus-show?....Why are we using trawls, and not pots to determine biomass?...Seems to me, using pots would be a more condusive method, as that would form the parameters for "real-time" fishing, especially when it comes to assessing areas of mixed classes, sex ratios, and pre-recruits. Or is this something that is out of our governments' effort range?....Want better sampling turn some gear that's focused towards our type of fishing!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com